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2 STATE OF NEW YORK : COUNTY LEGISLATURE
3 COUNTY OF ONONDAGA
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5 In the Matter of
6 LAKEVIEW AMPHITHEATER
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9 Financial PUBLIC HEARING of the above matter,
10 conducted at the Town of Geddes Town Hall, 1000
11 Woods Road, Solvay, New York before, JOHN F.
12 DRURY, CSR, RPR, Notary Public in and for the
13 State of New York, on October 1, 2014, 6:00 pm.
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15 LEGISLATORS PRESENT:
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J. RYAN McMAHON Chairman of Legislature
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BRIAN F. MAY 1st District
18 JAMES CORL, JR 3rd District
JUDITH TASSONE 4th District
19 MICHAEL PLOCHOCKI 6th District
DANNY J. LIEDKA 7th District
20 MARGARET A. CHASE 9th District
KEVIN A. HOLMQUIST 10th District
21 DAVID H. KNAPP 12th District
DEREK SHEPARD, JR 13th District
22 CASEY JORDAN 14th District
23 Debbie Maturo Legislative Clerk
24 Reported By:
John F. Drury, CSR, RPR
25 Court Reporter 471-7397
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2 INDEX TO SPEAKERS
3 SPEAKERS PAGES
4 BOB PAPWORTH Syracuse 6
5 JAMES BALENO Solvay 8
6 BYRON SCHLENKER Syracuse 12
7 HUGH KIMBALL Baldwinsville 14
8 ED KURTZ Westvale 15
9 TOM BEZIGIAN Geddes 18
10 JACK RAMSDEN Syracuse 20
11 FRANK MOSES Syracuse 25
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13 KELLY CARR SMG 30
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2 THE CHAIRMAN: Good evening. I want
3 to thank all of my colleagues for coming
4 out tonight, Supervisor Falcone and the
5 town board members who have so
6 graciously allowed us to use this venue
7 tonight. Thank Deputy Czaplicki in the
8 back there for being here tonight.
9 Tonight's public hearing is on the
10 proposed project for the Amphitheater
11 Project and on a separate piece of
12 legislation the Solvay Revitalization
13 Strategy as well as part of its overall
14 strategy as the west side pump station
15 being reconfigured. So there is three
16 separate pieces of legislation that we
17 may potentially consider at some point.
18 So what we will do is, I will
19 briefly break out the three pieces we
20 spoke about. I know everyone has not
21 been able to go to the budget hearings
22 to see the presentations. We'll then
23 take comments. And at the end if I feel
24 that there is some questions that have
25 been brought to attention, that we have
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2 the proper professionals here to answer
3 them, I'll ask them to answer them. So
4 that this is an opportunity to clear the
5 air on any issue that we took.
6 Saying that, the first piece of
7 legislation that we may potentially
8 consider in the month of November is the
9 Amphitheater Project itself. There has
10 been much of it published. Right here
11 we're talking about the finances. There
12 will be potentially a vote on a $49
13 and-a-half million bond. That bond will
14 be paid for from, the debt service on
15 that bond will be paid for by the Oneida
16 Turning Stone Casino gambling money that
17 the County will receive, which it has
18 already started receiving.
19 The second piece is a separate piece
20 of legislation for a $30 million grant
21 received by the State of New York. That
22 the dollar figures for the program are
23 still being worked out, but that would
24 essentially involve the Bridge Street
25 revitalization, Milton Avenue
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2 revitalization, business facade
3 improvements on Milton Avenue,
4 residential low interest loans for
5 homeowners, brownfield grant incentives
6 and senior housing grant incentives, as
7 well as incentives for Milton Avenue
8 development. That's the $30 million
9 piece.
10 The $15 million and/or give or take,
11 west side pump station is going to be
12 paid out of the sewer fees. This is a
13 project already on our capital
14 improvement plan. By doing this, this
15 rediverts where wastewater goes. So
16 currently in the Town of Geddes a lot of
17 the BOD, which is essential when you
18 have development, goes out to Seneca
19 Knolls. This project will help divert a
20 lot of that, divert a lot of the BODs
21 from the western side of the County back
22 into Metro. And metro has plenty of
23 capacity for BODs where Seneca Knolls
24 does not. The idea being it frees up
25 Camillus, Warners, Van Buren, Lysander
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2 for future development.
3 So those are the three pieces we may
4 actually vote on at some point in
5 November. They're all separate pieces
6 of legislation. At this point we'll go
7 into the public hearing process. I will
8 call somebody by their name and where
9 they live. And if they could come up
10 and right here is the podium to address
11 us. And at that time if they could just
12 keep your remarks to three to four
13 minutes each. If at any point somebody
14 want to come up and make a comment, over
15 here is the clerk and our staff, you can
16 fill out a comment card and they will
17 bring it to me.
18 Saying that let start the evening
19 off with Bob Papworth, 228 Hampton Road,
20 Syracuse, New York.
21 BOB PAPWORTH: Good evening. Last
22 night we were at the Fair Grounds for a
23 more accessible discussion, I won't go
24 into that detail tonight. What I'm
25 going to say has absolutely nothing to
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2 do with the amphitheater or the rest of
3 the project that you are considering,
4 won't delay with them or interfere with
5 them at all.
6 I'm here to propose and navigate
7 that the polluted material which is
8 below the amphitheater site be excavated
9 before the amphitheater be built. The
10 reason for that would be to remove it
11 and stockpile it further south than the
12 wastebed 1 to 8 site pending its
13 destruction by a plasma gasification
14 system, which I'm advocating be
15 purchased to do that destruction job.
16 Not only for the wastebed 1 to 8
17 material but also for the polluted
18 materials which come from Ley Creek,
19 upper Ley Creek and the remaining sub
20 sites of the overall Onondaga Lake
21 project.
22 So the excavation project would
23 presumably fall within responsibility of
24 Honeywell to get the material out of the
25 way so that you can go ahead with the
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2 amphitheater, if that's what you decide
3 to do. Again, thank you.
4 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Bob.
5 James Baleno, 106 Charles Avenue.
6 JAMES BALENO: Good evening
7 everybody, first of all, is our County
8 Executive here this evening?
9 THE CHAIRMAN: This is a public
10 hearing for the downtown Legislature.
11 JAMES BALENO: I was of the
12 understanding this whole amphitheater
13 was her baby, I was just curious if she
14 was here, that's all. A couple of
15 things I'm concerned about. I live here
16 in the village of Solvay and obviously
17 there is a portion of this looking to
18 revitalize Milton Avenue, Bridge Street,
19 you know, the business facades on Milton
20 Avenue. What happens after that?
21 Because everybody that's going to come
22 to this amphitheater if you build it,
23 where are they going to come through?
24 Right now the village of Solvay
25 here. So are we going to be stuck
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2 footing the bills to maintain our
3 streets after you come through or is
4 this going to be a long term, County is
5 going to help us keep this maintained if
6 you build the amphitheater? Because
7 otherwise it's placing an unfair burden
8 on the taxpayers of this village.
9 Because now we have to foot the bill for
10 everybody coming to your amphitheater.
11 Beyond that, this County already has
12 two amazing facilities that are
13 underutilized, and my personal opinion
14 completely mismanaged. We have the
15 OnCenter, which with all the hotel rooms
16 this County has and more coming, could
17 host some really big conventions and
18 bring a lot of money into the County.
19 I have spoken to a few convention
20 people. They said they would love to
21 come to somewhere like Syracuse. We've
22 got 81, we've got 90, that go right
23 through Syracuse, we've got Hancock
24 international airport. These are the
25 things people look for. Yet I haven't
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2 seen a single one. We have a ball field,
3 which a few years back we proved you can
4 put a concert, a big concert on that
5 field twice in one year no less and
6 still not destroy that turf.
7 I know for a fact Dave Matthew's
8 band wanted to come back next year; but
9 didn't see him come back. Somebody
10 dropped the ball there. And whether it
11 was the County or the Chiefs, you know,
12 why are we going to add a third facility
13 for this County to mismanage?
14 Realistically speaking we don't need it.
15 I'm glad we're looking at how to
16 improve everything else. I'm thrilled
17 at what we've done with Onondaga Lake.
18 Actually what Honeywell has done with
19 Onondaga Lake. But this County does not
20 need another facility to mismanage.
21 If you want to know where I get my
22 information? I spent 19 years as a
23 volunteer EMT with County parks. The
24 last 10 of those years I was director of
25 operations for the EMS. So I was pretty
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2 involved with all the concerts that went
3 on in the stadium, Jamesville Beach,
4 everything else. You know, if we can't
5 manage what we've got why are we going
6 to add to it? It's just going to be an
7 albatross around our neck in the long
8 run.
9 And beyond that, if the Turning
10 Stone goes belly up, I realize that's
11 not a realistic thing, but something
12 happens to that Turning Stone, how are
13 we paying the bill? Is it my tax
14 dollars paying the bill after that?
15 Those are the answers we need. Not just
16 this is going to be a big glorious
17 project that's going to make everything
18 pretty. Pretty doesn't pay the bills
19 unfortunately. Thank you.
20 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks Mr. Baleno.
21 Kelly Carr with SMG, maybe Kelly could
22 share after and help answer some of
23 these questions. Next we have Byron
24 Schlenker.
25 BYRON SCHLENKER: Hi, how are you?
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2 I appreciate the opportunity to talk to
3 you here tonight. My concerns are with
4 the logistics of it as far as the money
5 goes, borrowing $50 million of the
6 County money to build a facility that
7 only two days ago came out that's going
8 to make $196,000 a year; and that's only
9 after five years. So I assume it's
10 going to be a loss before then. That's
11 275 years before you regain your. I
12 just don't feel that the County should
13 be in the position to run a business.
14 I don't think that we shouldn't have
15 an amphitheater there, although
16 personally I don't think it's going to
17 make any money. And it's not going to
18 sustain, just from the venues that we
19 have already. There is a lot of
20 competition. But I just, I don't
21 understand the rush and the hurry to do
22 this and to force it through when only
23 two days ago we got the projections of
24 how much money it would make.
25 I think that it's being pushed too
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2 quickly. And all I know is what I read
3 in the newspaper. And I also hear that
4 part of the revenue or the cost might be
5 shared with the New York State Fair.
6 And I don't know if anybody has spoken
7 to the New York State Fair to see how
8 that's going to work. It's pretty far
9 away to get people back and forth. I
10 mean the Fair right now runs a venue
11 that has a 17,000 seating capacity. And
12 I don't know if anybody has spoken to
13 them about the pitfalls and things like
14 that.
15 I feel like here, we're here to talk
16 to you when I think people should come
17 and ask questions. I just think it's
18 all too fast. I think we have stadiums
19 here that we can do this in. And I
20 think it's going to be a failed venture.
21 But I think that more needs to be looked
22 into that, and I hope you do. I care
23 about the county, I care about my tax
24 dollars, and I don't want to see anybody
25 fail. I would be remiss and if I didn't
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2 come here and tell you how I felt.
3 That's why I'm here.
4 THE CHAIRMAN: Appreciate it. Hugh
5 Kimball, Baldwinsville, New York. Hugh,
6 good to see you again.
7 HUGH KIMBALL: I'm a little
8 unprepared because I really hoped to
9 learn more than what I've already
10 learned. I think the Solvay/Geddes
11 proposal and the pump station make a lot
12 of sense. I think they're needed. I
13 think that there will be benefits
14 resulting from them.
15 For the amphitheater, I can only
16 suggest that the Legislature insist on
17 detailed reliable numbers and studies,
18 rather than for ticket sales, cost of
19 operation, cost of traffic control as
20 the previous speaker said, the sharing
21 of the parking lot for perhaps even the
22 concerts at the State Fair. How is this
23 all going to work? You need details.
24 That's all I can ask you to do is
25 please, due diligence, do your homework,
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3 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Hugh.
4 Next we have Ed Kurtz.
5 ED KURTZ: Good evening. My
6 situation I like to talk about seems
7 trivial in comparison to the cost
8 factors and so forth. But I want to
9 talk about quality of life that I have.
10 I live at 127 Blackstone Way, which is
11 in Parsons Meadows. It seems to be
12 quite a distance from the Fair. If you
13 took the 695 bypass to the end and
14 looked over where everybody had the
15 above ground swimming pools, that's me.
16 From there, during a normal night at
17 the Fair the Fair saves me on the
18 average of $75 for three tickets.
19 Because I get to enjoy and sing along to
20 the music. This year has been a little
21 better than others. But it is very loud
22 over there. I've got a hill on the one
23 side. Really it's the geography that
24 manages to move the sound along down
25 there. You know, we live with the Fair,
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2 lived with it for a long time. That's
3 never going to change. But this is the
4 opportunity to make sure we don't make
5 the problem any worse.
6 I did some looking at CMAC in
7 Canandaigua and SPAC in Saratoga. Now
8 they average two to three concerts a
9 week at these facilities. Some larger,
10 some smaller. But there are some good
11 size concerts there. If we were for
12 eight weeks times three, let's see, I
13 went to Solvay, 24 concerts, plus maybe
14 another eight for the State Fair, 32
15 concerts in a single summer.
16 And if the sound isn't controlled
17 and the sound isn't adjusted or even
18 moved in some situations, that I think
19 you're really going to diminish a lot of
20 the neighborhoods. This isn't just my
21 neighborhood over in the Westvale area,
22 but it's neighborhoods in Camillus that
23 are across the street, I think it's
24 Eagle Crest is the name of the development
25 over there. It's neighborhoods that are
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2 in Westvale and in the village of
3 Solvay.
4 You know I love to park up there, I
5 go there all the time, it's absolutely
6 wonderful. I hope that this wouldn't do
7 anything as far as closing any of the
8 parks up there. I know they talked
9 about some readjustments with the path
10 and stuff. But that truly is a gem in
11 the County.
12 You know, the other side is great, I
13 love it over there too, but to be up in
14 there and the wildlife that you see, and
15 really it's basic nature up there, there
16 isn't a whole lot of corruption unless
17 you might call it underground.
18 So in looking at it and I'm not
19 arguing whether it belongs there or not,
20 that's not what I'm here for. I'm here
21 for to talk about the sound. If you
22 please take a look at the projection on
23 the amphitheater the way it sets up, it
24 would actually project the sound toward
25 the State Fair grounds and down on 695.
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2 You know, it wouldn't take much to tweak
3 that, move it just a few degrees so that
4 sound went towards Hiawatha Boulevard.
5 And in that way, which is a greater
6 distance, and would diminish over the
7 water.
8 Like I said, that I think that this
9 should be done, because listen, I don't
10 want to be in a position where 10, 20,
11 or 30 days a year that I have to close
12 my windows on summer nights because I
13 can hear that. If I want to hear it
14 I'll go over there. Thank you.
15 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks Ed. Tom
16 Bezigian, Town of Geddes.
17 TOM BEZIGIAN: Good evening, I'm Tom
18 Bezigian, this is my daughter Violet
19 Bezigian. I'm the chairman of the
20 Geddes Republican Committee here, but
21 I'm not here for the Committee today,
22 I'm here as a resident of the Town of
23 Geddes.
24 I'm in favor of all the propositions
25 that we're discussing. You know, as we
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2 look at Allied having left us with a
3 mess that we have and taking the jobs
4 from here, I think it would be deeply
5 gratifying to be able to have projects
6 like this where we can access our
7 natural resources and economic and
8 development resources. And I think a
9 lot of, you know, there is different
10 opinions, but a lot of members of the
11 town that I speak with are very excited
12 about the prospects of these projects
13 and what they can do for our community.
14 I have three young children and
15 we're looking forward to the paths and
16 the opportunity to go to concerts and do
17 things and see all these greet venues
18 occur around us. So I think what is
19 being proposed is a great idea, I'm
20 highly in favor of it, and I know many
21 other people are. And that's all I have
22 got to say.
23 THE CHAIRMAN: We have another
24 speaker? While we have an intermission
25 I want to recognize Mayor Benedetti, I
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2 know that you're here today, as well as
3 trustee Tom Tarolli and Mr. Fall. If I
4 missed anybody else I apologize, any
5 elected officials. Next we have my
6 friend Jack Ramsden.
7 JACK RAMSDEN: Thank you, it's a
8 pleasure to have an opportunity to speak
9 and I appreciate your holding this
10 meeting at 6 o'clock at night to make it
11 a little more convenient for people that
12 have to work during the day. This is my
13 first opportunity I've had to talk to
14 you. I am a resident of Syracuse, and I
15 come to you as a taxpayer. I volunteer
16 in a lot of different groups. I've been
17 involved in a lot of different activity
18 around the Lake clean up.
19 And since I moved back here after
20 being gone for 30 years, to Syracuse,
21 I've been involved in the future of
22 Syracuse. And I really believe that
23 public/private partnerships have made
24 Syracuse better and will continue to
25 make Syracuse better. And I've spoken
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2 to you before about one of those
3 specifically.
4 But I feel that this, especially the
5 amphitheater, the other two, the pump
6 station and the improvements are
7 certainly roles of the County and
8 important projects for the County to
9 take on. But I am troubled by the
10 amphitheater proposal and expressing
11 opposition to it on three grounds. And
12 I'm going to give short shrift to the
13 first two because I think the third one
14 is more important.
15 And the first one is cultural. I
16 think in our relationship with the
17 Onondaga Nation and the Haudenosaunee,
18 the development of one more area around
19 Onondaga Lake as it's getting cleaned up
20 is not helping our relationship with our
21 neighbors. And I think this is a very
22 troubling project to take on, knowing
23 that they're troubled by the fact that
24 it's going on.
25 The second thing is environmental.
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2 And other people will speak to
3 environmental issues, but I think that
4 it's risky to build an amphitheater on a
5 wastebed when remediation of wastebeds
6 in big projects like this are constantly
7 changing. With very little fanfare this
8 summer the DEC and EPA issued a
9 modification to the dredging proposal.
10 And everybody is excited about the
11 dredging and it's going to finish early,
12 be done this year, but they also reduced
13 the area they're going to dredge.
14 Because not made known to us in 2005
15 when they proposed it but it's a threat
16 to the CSX tracks. So they're not going
17 to dredge as close to the shoreline
18 where the CSX tracks are close to the
19 shoreline because there is a threat to
20 their integrity.
21 And I would guess that most people
22 in this room don't even know the DEC
23 made that decision. But it came out in
24 an explanation of a change to the remedy
25 to the Lake bottom. And this is
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2 troubling because you're going to build
3 an amphitheater on a Super Fund site
4 without any idea that down the road as
5 few as five or six years they could find
6 out that there is a problem with that.
7 And then you've got a multi-million
8 dollar structure on an unstable
9 foundation. And not saying it will
10 happen, just like I'm not saying that
11 the amphitheater won't be profitable,
12 but I think it's risky to go forward
13 with this much money and not be sure
14 that this wastebed, it's not million
15 year old geology, these are wastebeds
16 that have been created in the last 150
17 years. And so that's a big risk in my
18 mind.
19 But the real reason I'm against it
20 is financial. If the County or the
21 Governor or the County Executive want to
22 propose an amphitheater and spend tens
23 of millions of dollars, then they need
24 to have some private outcry to do it.
25 And this was a surprise to all of us
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2 when it was proposed. The Governor,
3 Mr. McMahon and the County Executive go
4 to Albany, meet with the Governor, and
5 those folks come back with this proposal
6 to build an amphitheater, which is going
7 to cost us, whether it's bonded or
8 however it's paid for, an awful lot of
9 money.
10 And I think that that's a
11 questionable financial approach to this
12 situation, considering the instability
13 and the cultural conflicts and the fact
14 that if Solvay came to you with an
15 outcry for, we need a 17,000 seat venue,
16 then that would be different. But this
17 was not something the public asked for
18 but the public is certainly going to pay
19 for it. And as a taxpayer in Onondaga
20 County and a hopeful for the future of
21 Onondaga County individual, I'm asking
22 you to not do this. Thank you.
23 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks, Jack. And we
24 don't have any other speakers so if
25 anyone else wants to sign up. Also the
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2 town board members Kolakowski and Weber
3 are here. I'll give you an opportunity
4 for some of these issues to be addressed
5 because there is answers to them. I
6 understand that people aren't there and
7 don't get all the information we have
8 but there is answers to a lot of these
9 statements. So after this I'll have
10 some of the people who have been working
11 on this to address these concerns. And
12 then if there is further comments we'll
13 go into that then we're done.
14 Next we have Frank Moses from
15 Syracuse. Good to see you again Frank.
16 FRANK MOSES: Thanks for the
17 opportunity to speak. I'm just going to
18 be brief and reiterate some of the
19 things I said last time I spoke about
20 the amphitheater. But specific to the
21 budget and the finances, if the
22 amphitheater does move forward, we hope
23 that there would be mitigation.
24 My biggest background is a concern
25 with bird conservation. I've seen great
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2 things happen with the Lake in terms of
3 trying to inspire the community to get
4 involved in birding, get involved in
5 helping restore the habitat through the
6 clean up project through programs like
7 the Onondaga Lake Conservation Corps.
8 When I think about the future of
9 Onondaga Lake I think about how can we
10 sustain that inspired stewardship? And
11 where can that sustainable funds come
12 from? Certainly a lot of apprehension
13 with the impact a project like the size
14 of the amphitheater, that can have a
15 major impact on birds and other
16 wildlife. And so we asked in the past
17 to have a clear sense of what that
18 impact is.
19 But also looking forward, is if
20 there is a possible exploration to look
21 at proceeds from potential concerts and
22 events to go towards the future of the
23 conservation of the Lake as an important
24 bird area, but to maybe protect and
25 enhance other areas as well. And so
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2 whether it's proceeds on ticket sales, I
3 think I would want to urge the County to
4 explore looking at performers, socially
5 responsible performers that give back to
6 communities, such as the Dave Matthew's
7 band or others like My Morning Jacket,
8 that if they did come they sometimes
9 will look at what's needed in the
10 community. And if funds could go right
11 back to the Lake and be used for the
12 benefit of the conservation of the Lake
13 through ticket sales, through the
14 performers are giving back and possibly
15 even have folks coming through the doors
16 have an opportunity to keep giving
17 beyond what they've already given
18 through ticket sales.
19 Just a few ideas to consider as the
20 finances are being figured out. Really
21 look at, if there is that good feeling
22 if I'm going to go to a concert here,
23 you know, is me being here connected to
24 the Lake, am I giving back to the Lake?
25 And to think about that as an
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2 opportunity if the County and community
3 is very serious about pursuing the
4 amphitheater as a project. And that's
5 it, thank you.
6 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks, Frank. Any
7 other speakers? Just to clarify, on the
8 amphitheater bond, Jack referenced it,
9 so did another speaker, there is no
10 local tax dollars as proposed. So there
11 is a new stream of revenue that the
12 County is getting. Because there was a
13 referendum for gambling in the state
14 because we're in the Oneida Turning
15 Stone Casino region. Every County
16 within that region gets a revenue stream
17 each year because we aren't allowed to
18 have our own casino. So that stream of
19 revenue would go in this proposal to pay
20 off the debt services of $50 million.
21 So that's how that would be paid for.
22 Yes, sir?
23 BYRON SCHLENKER: But that revenue
24 is tax dollars which is given to us.
25 THE CHAIRMAN: It's tax revenues.
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2 So it's from that.
3 BYRON SCHLENKER: So it is our
4 County money.
5 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. But what I said
6 was it's no new -- it's new revenue,
7 there will be no existing local dollars.
8 We're not bonding like we normally bond
9 for something.
10 BYRON SCHLENKER: I understand that,
11 but still our money being spent on a
12 gamble and that's my point. Our money
13 being spent on a gamble. That something
14 that is not hazardous now but could be
15 hazardous in the future.
16 THE CHAIRMAN: I won't argue that.
17 But that's how the plan will be paid
18 for. Whether or not you agree with it,
19 that's how it gets paid for. I'll just
20 ask Kelly Carr from SMG, who will be in
21 charge of managing the facility to go
22 over just a -- do you want to go over,
23 there is references to the business
24 plan. There is three speakers, you can
25 either talk to them individually or if
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2 you want to address it now. But what a
3 2016 season would look like, number of
4 concerts.
5 KELLY CARR: Your preference.
6 THE CHAIRMAN: Why don't you tell us
7 about that. The people are here, you're
8 here, might as well.
9 KELLY CARR: My name is Kelly Carr
10 with SMG, we're with the management
11 company that runs the OnCenter for the
12 County. And again we were asked by our
13 client, the County, to put together a
14 pro forma on a proposed amphitheater
15 based on what we know from other
16 amphitheaters that we run and other
17 amphitheaters within the State of New
18 York.
19 And the P&L summary that we provided
20 to the Legislature on Monday when we
21 met, in 2015 we were talking about one
22 show. That's what we were asked to put
23 in place. And for the first year with
24 the start up we're showing proposed
25 $95,000 loss in year one of the
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2 amphitheater. Now the next year when we
3 increase and get into more of a full
4 season with a total of approximately 18
5 events, 11 of those being national
6 promoter concerts, we show a profit of
7 50,000. Then it increases over the next
8 five years, 142, in 2017. In 2018,
9 173,000. 2019, about 196,000.
10 Depending on the number of concerts
11 that will go up or down. Also you're
12 going to have potential naming rights,
13 revenues along with sponsorship and
14 advertising. So that's kind of the
15 pro forma that we put together.
16 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks, Kelly. Any
17 further speakers at this time? All
18 right, we have with us if you want to
19 talk to him after, we have Deputy County
20 Executive Bill Fisher, Deputy County
21 Executive Mary Beth Primo. Kelly Carr.
22 I know there was questions regarding or
23 statements regarding noise mitigation.
24 We have our experts who have actually
25 studied this, Mr. Kurtz over here in the
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2 front row so they can maybe help address
3 some of your concerns. So if there is
4 any other comments or questions, please
5 feel free to reach out to me at the
6 Legislature going forward we can get you
7 answers you want.
8 Again, this isn't an item we're
9 voting on in October, there is
10 environmental studies going on now that
11 need to be addressed and completed
12 before we can even consider a vote on
13 it. So saying that, if I see no other
14 comments for the public hearing, this
15 hearing is now closed. Thank you.
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17 C E R T I F I C A T E
18 This is to certify that I am a
Certified Shorthand Reporter and Notary
19 Public in and for the State of New York,
that I attended and reported the above
20 entitled proceedings, that I have
compared the foregoing with my original
21 minutes taken therein and that it is a
true and correct transcript thereof and
22 all of the proceedings had therein.
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24 John F. Drury, CSR, RPR
25 Dated: October 3, 2014